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RE: Yes, You Are a Slave! The Good News Is We Have the Secret, And We Are Winning.

in #anarchy • 6 years ago

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https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2014/08/28/2014-20516/schedule-of-fees-for-consular-services-department-of-state-and-overseas-embassies-and#p-amd-2

Done trying to explain this to you man. You can’t seem to research something for more than 30 seconds, and seem to feel that euphemism makes theft and slavery, not theft and slavery.

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    Well Graham, that was not easy to find, kudos, that didn't take 30 seconds, what page of search results was it on? I didn't say there was not a fee, I said the state department didn't mention one. so let's have a look:

    The CoSM demonstrated that documenting a U.S. citizen's renunciation of citizenship is extremely costly, requiring American consular officers overseas to spend substantial amounts of time to accept, process, and
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    adjudicate cases. For example, consular officers must confirm that the potential renunciant fully understands the consequences of renunciation, including losing the right to reside in the United States without documentation as an alien. Other steps include verifying that the renunciant is a U.S. citizen, conducting a minimum of two intensive interviews with the potential renunciant, and reviewing at least three consular systems before administering the oath of renunciation. The final approval of the loss of nationality must be done by law within the Directorate of Overseas Citizens Services in Washington, DC, after which the case is returned to the consular officer overseas for final delivery of the Certificate of Loss of Nationality to the renunciant. These steps further add to the time and labor that must be involved in the process. Accordingly, the Department is increasing the fee for processing such requests from $450 to $2,350. As noted in the interim final rule dated June 28, 2010 (77 FR 36522), the fee of $450 was set substantially below the cost to the U.S. government of providing this service (less than one quarter of the cost). Since that time, demand for the service has increased dramatically, consuming far more consular officer time and resources, as reflected in the 2012 Overseas Time Survey and increased workload data. Because the Department believes there is no public benefit or other reason for setting this fee below cost, the Department is increasing this fee to reflect the full cost of providing the service. Therefore the increased fee reflects both the increased cost of the provision of service as well as the determination to now charge the full cost.
    Consular Time Charges

    The Department previously charged a consular time fee of $231 per hour, per employee. This fee is charged when indicated on the Schedule of Fees or when services are performed away from the office or outside regular business hours. The CoSM estimated that the hourly consular time charge is now lower. Accordingly, the Department is lowering this fee to $135 per hour.

    So you object to being charged a fee to process the paperwork? Should the American taxpayer pay to process your renunciation paperwork? Paying to process your own paperwork makes you a slave? I think theft and slavery are well understood and clearly defined terms and that you intentionally misuse them for political reasons.
    Extortion is not theft, with extortion you get something in return, what do you get in return with theft? What do you get in return for paying extortion?
    What does the word "wholly" mean?

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      Why should I have to even make a statement or pay any fee for moving my body out of the US?

      You are missing the bigger picture here, and just keep moving the goalposts.

      Like I said, I’m done engaging now. Is there a fee for that ;)

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      because there is a lot of paperwork involved if you choose to do that for some reason, a reason to do so would be if you were making over $100,000 and didn't ever again want to enjoy the protections and privileges given to citizens and if you are making over $100,000 a year then you could easily afford the processing fee. It is a one time fee. should all that paperwork be done for you for free? From a voluntarism prospective why should everyone else be forced to pay to process someone else's renunciation?The phone company and cable company often charge cancellation fees for early termination, does that make you their slave?

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         6 years ago (edited) 

        From a moral human perspective, no one should have to pay to move their body. Don't you agree? Good. Settled, then.

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        It's not the moving your body you are paying for, that's free. Its the legal paperwork that is needed to process a renunciation of citizenship that costs taxpayers thousands of dollars, why should they eat that cost instead of the person actually using the consular services?
        It seems a little hypocritical to suggest that the moral position is to steal from slaves so that your paperwork can be processed.

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          It seems a little hypocritical to suggest that the moral position is to steal from slaves so that your paperwork can be processed.

          Glad you have conceded that taxpayers are slaves, though.

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          Nope, that's not my position, nice try, that's yours and it seems to be contradicting itself.

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            I did not ask anyone to do paperwork concerning me.

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            Nor did you pay $2000 dollars, and yet you left America, so there goes your claim that you have to do that to move your body.

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