You Don't Always Get What You Want In A Free Society

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I had the pleasure to speak with Larken Rose ( @larkenrose ) this week to discuss how easy it is to fall for the rhetoric of statists and think that they are condoning freedom.

If they are statists, they aren't condoning freedom, as Larken Rose points out. They are just condoning their own freedom and the subjugation of others.

We spoke about the allegory of the "ring of power" in the Lord of the Rings and the stupidity of creating government and giving massive power to one individual and just hope he/she does not use it to completely destroy us all.

Larken went on to point out that in a free society (aka anarchy), that you don't always get what you want... but that is far better than everyone being enslaved in order for some people to get some of the things they want some of the time.

We also got into Charlottesville and commented on the Chris Cantwell fiasco... and Larken gave his opinion on Stefan Molyneux... one that many of Stefan's fans won't like to hear.

You can see it all here:

Larken Rose will be one of the keynote speakers at Anarchapulco 2018 coming up from February 15-18th, 2018 in Acapulco, Mexico. And, he'll be running his 2 day workshop, Candles in the Dark, before or after the event (to be decided).

If you register now, before September 1st, you get a discount off of the Anarchapulco registration fee and you can do so at www.anarchapulco.com.

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exactly, it's not proportional

Feed the government!
Or was I looking for a different f word?
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It's the idea from game theory of the long term horizon. In the long run, cooperating with other agents is a way to ensure individual freedom.

From seeing the video once it sounded like larken compared Molyneux with a fascist. That's exaggerated in my view, especially as I don't see larken is closer to freedom rather then only complaining.

Steemians can you understand the harsh criticism? I still think that Molyneux offers still better interviews coverage than mainstream news channel.

Just found, The Dollar Vigilante, on Steemit.

Larken Rose, tell me more.

Freedom is tolerant of all who do not coerse or agress against others.

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this is a good post, I really like it. hopefully the next post is better than this. thank you already share. and thank you too, If you get time, to see my post today. And I hope you like it with what I post and I hope it can be useful for all.

Yes, and hopefully your next comment is better than this one...

@jeffberwick Thank you for keeping things in perspective. Many blessings out to you!

Wars wherever you go..shame for the whole civilization..Let's find a solution for not killing each other anymore !

Thanks for the post, jeff. It is quite an interesting time we live in.

Nothing is free, there's always a cost either paid in money (the most direct) or other forms like time and opportunities. I do appreciate to be able to

Can't argue with that period. You don't always get what you want but as long as you strive for better things in life, your chance of getting them will be higher comparing to those who never try. Opportunities are always abundant but learning to seize them timely is vitally critical.

Great post and very valid points. Thank you for sharing @jeffberwick

jeff berwick is about to find out what being a team player is all about.

"Free society" is way far from what we live, thanks for sharing @jeffberwick

Great !!!!!!!!

I know you guys a doing a great deal of work trying to give back power to those who truly deserve it. Your efforts are really commendable.

Great interview.

The YouTube alt news community needs to watch this video right now. I'm beginning to become disgusted with nearly everyone that I used to follow.

They've effectively become worse than the radical left and the MsM lately, as they rally to have personal property laws, and corporate personhood thrown out the window in favor of what they believe to be "free speech".

Ever since I discovered Eve Online, I've been on the cusp of favoring Libertarianism and Anarcho-Capitalism, but after all of this recent bullshit, I now believe that the tolerable form of freedom is full on Anarcho-Capitalism, other wise just crown someone king, and let us smart enough to bankroll him sit around the thrown with him (which would essentially be the Ancaps)

Once upon a time the economy of the world was based on agricultural production And Money was based on whatever was important to society at that time.

Fast forward to the beginnings on the United States of America. As our nation transformed from agrarian to industrial, technology and machinery increased output and destroyed crop values. Hence the need for subsidies to keep it profitable otherwise there would be drastic periods of feast or famine, due to natural and artificial causes and market swings.

Government intrusion and subsidies keeps food readily available when it's cheap because of overproduction or expensive due to shortages; and simply because everyone can't be their own farmer for everything they eat.

The same problem is happening with advances in industrial and manufacturing productivity. And it's only going to get worse as Free trade agreements allow companies to move to where the cheap labor is.

Eisenhower Economics VS Voodoo Economics.

We have seen the results of both and we are still living in the era of voodoo with low income tax rates and limited deductions.

High income tax rates and targeted deductions stimulate growth using psychology rather than Wishful Voodoo but today we are Left between a rock and a hard place because communist liberals want high taxes and no deductions.

Reaganomics Or Voodoo Economics penned by Bush Sr. Or trickle down economics assumes people with great personal wealth automatically expand and grow to hire people but as we can see that hasn't happened because of the Chinese Most Favored Nation Status and NAFTA, and technology itself.

The key word though is trickle down. That slows the velocity of money to a trickle and we need it moving pretty quick to keep the people happy. And we have a lot of unhappy people who elected Trump; and they don't even know why they're unhappy.

Reaganomics places control of expanding the economy with the banks and in the stock market rather than where it should be; on a system that encourages direct business expansion and growth that Creates Jobs; But doing so requires a high income tax rate that exempts specifically this type of spending... growth and expansión creating jobs like it was in the 1950's

If the Velocity of Money was where it should be no one would care about the size of the government. If the economy was running like a train engine everything would be wonderful. But it takes a government with the power and will to tax the 1% heavily to make that happen otherwise the 1% would hoard all the wealth; as they do now; encouraging the jealous to find ways and means to take it all away Vis-a-vis Venezuela and its Bolavarian Revolution or worse - Castro's Red Dawn.

Currently the wealthy lords and Rothbardian think tanks have convinced the "Poor Conservatives", by propagandizing the hope, that anyone can build their own empire through their own labor as long as taxes are low. But that is unsound logic based on a fantasy that you can get rich in a vacuum.

The Tax Choice

Eisenhower Economics 101: Higher Taxes and liberal deductions encourage tax free reinvestment and cause growth. Taxes on Investments in the Market and Capital Gains should be high; but Placing Higher taxes on business owners while allowing deductions for self retooling and personal expansion and re-investments in your own business which create jobs or higher salaries for the current people will encourage owners to spend on expansion and grow; so as to grow equity rather than liquid wealth. (This tax structure encourages tax deductible spending and increases the velocity of money, which is good for the economy.). Thus creating tax deductions for growth based spending and investments on oneself and his employees to avoid paying the government is a good thing for America.

@jeffberwick really strikes a cord with me. I, like many others, have been misled in the past by half-truthers. I consider these folks that simply muddy the waters or will tell you 99% of the truth but leave out critical details. This is a very specific technique used to mislead people. I've always known Jeff was the real deal but his honest investigation into FE (it's obvious, duh) elevated his status into an absolute bad ass. FE is the ultimate litmus test for truth, Vegan/anarchy is the ultimate test for a good soul. Good on ya Jeff. Love to see folks with real principles that are still cool AF.

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Right on Jeff I love ❤️ the new tune it's a great way to break things down in a real way Cheers 😎

I had the pleasure to speak with Larken Rose ( @larkenrose ) this week to discuss how easy it is to fall for the rhetoric of statists and think that they are condoning freedom.

If they are statists, they aren't condoning freedom, as Larken Rose points out. They are just condoning their own freedom and the subjugation of others.

Interesting post. Worth reading it. Thank you for sharing

It's very true. You have to work for what you want, you can not get everything you want

Larken is a great man.
He is even better live.
Get to anarchapulco to see for yourself.
Thanks for the post Jeff

After Figuring out authority is not real within yourself, how would you defend yourself in court?

How will you get higharchy pussy "prosecutor" to admit evidence that satisfies the element of jurisdiction, then have the "judge" dismiss your victim-less( drug and or gun possession, traffic tickets, etc) case('s)?

Many people go in there making claims such as, Im a free man on the land, soveriegn, blah blah blah, etc, ... doing so will not get you that dismiss that you want. so then how would one go about it?

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Inspired by something Larken Rose said in the video (about how in a free society you don't always get what you want, and about the example of all his neighbors deciding to sell all their property to people of an opposing ideology), then what if this happens: a group of individuals decide to follow this thing called democracy/government/capitalism/communism/whatever, and make no allowances for people who disagree with them, i.e. an anarchist will have no choice but to live in that system despite his own freely chosen values. Then that's a scenario in which a society is (a) free, (b) you don't get what you want. That's society right now! You could argue against the correctness of premise (a), but I think people are more brainwashed than acting out of fear or force. When you mention anarchism to most people, and see their reaction, I don't think they're thinking "oh I better rail against anarchism cos otherwise the Government's gonna get me". I think they actually believe in the system in which they happen to live. So I don't know, just thought that's an interesting note or spin on Rose's comment.

Man you are posting some interesting stuff today - I think getting off the piss has worked well for you - thanks for being so on to it.