I've got room for more, I've already added another since I posted it initially.
I don't buy into the false division of anarchists based on personal preference in lifestyle or which step of the transformation they focus on. (Anarcho-capitalism is the next step from corporatism, then we can evolve to a fully cooperative model once people are free to decide their own lives)
I think i may be suffering from some burnout, i have been at this a long time.
Patience has never been my strong suit.
Half measures, and those that embrace their slavery because they are too lazy to free their minds, fray my nerves.
Just like any other change we wish to manifest, I find it extremely important to celebrate each step along the way, and everyone else who isn't in the same place as us, but is walking down the same path. There are a LOT of humans who want a version of Earth that is more balanced, more peaceful, more loving, more cooperative, healthier in every way... If they would agree that they all want those things (in which almost everyone agrees), and that the rest (level of technology, economic system, religious/spiritual beliefs) is all personal preference and can be decided individually and in community.
Let's get rid of the states as physical reality and the state as a culturally acceptable concept of human organization. Let's get rid of the banks as a physical reality and usury as a culturally acceptable form of interaction. Let's get rid of war, "corporal punishment" for children, corporations, and all the other direct forms of violence, coercion, and control (different manifestations of violation of another).
Once we get to that world, everything else can work itself out organically, peacefully, and in a decentralized way. This means there will be Rainbow communities, RBE communities, agorist communities, anarcho-primitivist communities, and yes, even anarcho-capitalist communities.
If you've followed any of my conversations with an-caps (or most folks who really like to self-identify as anything) I'm generally working to find the synthesis, the best of both opinions/options, the middle path as it were. (it often ends up with comment threads where an-coms are attacking me and comment threads where an-caps are.
We are in the millions. I'd reckon close to/over a billion are within a year or two of being there (less and less time the more we all cooperate & synergize the strengths of different archetypes), and the whole world is just a generation or two away from being fully realized conscious sovereigns, if we can just put down our adjectives and focus together on the steps we all agree should happen.
We're almost there. I don't know about you, but I'm excited, overjoyed to get to live in this time of paradigm shift. We literally get to have a personal hand in shaping the world of the future, through what we do, what we say, who we connect with, how we heal & integrate our traumas, what we show as an example for others...
I'm with ya, not all of us have the leisure to do the reading, nor the good fortune to be in an environment conducive to learning from outside the paradigm.
Thanks for that reference. I think it was sent to me maybe only once in all the discussions I've had on this topic regarding self-ownership, property rights, and the like. I have not read through all of it, but it's now bookmarked, and I surely will. I can appreciate how frustrating it must feel to have language and historical tradition subverted to mean something else entirely. I also see entrepreneurship, free value exchange, and the type of "capitalism" many I know appreciate might really only be possible, ethically, via the technologies which exist today such as blockchain cryptocurrency free from the nation-state. If that's true, we should start seeing more and more examples of it in reality. I look forward to reading through this more and hopefully writing on it more in the future to clarify some things for myself and those who use (and misuse) these labels in my community.
That is only one section of the faq, there are many.
Too many that call themselves anarchists have no real clue what they are talking about, nor even that this has all been hashed out 150+ years ago.
Their brashness at 'making their own' rules often leads them down non and counter productive paths creating turmoil where none would exist if they had caught up with the rest of the class.
I can only lead you to the source.
You have to decide for you what to do with the knowledge available in the time available to absorb it.
This is beautifully said. I've spent a lot of time arguing why I don't want governments controlling things and prefer a path of self-ownership leading to production of goods and services which can be voluntarily traded and enjoyed, even creating profit for creators to encourage more creation. I then get side-tracked into pointless debates about personal property, toothbrushes, justification for land ownership, involuntary wage-slavery which has nothing to do with my self-employed perspective, etc, etc... In this community, we all want a voluntary, peaceful, prosperous, free world. Just as you said, there are many paths to get there and many sub communities will enjoy completely different approaches because, even on a genetic level, our species is very diverse and prefers many different styles of living.
Love and respect for others is enough. We can get there with multiple approaches and even learn a bit about each other along the way.
Keep spreading the good word of decentralized progress while not compromising your universal principles or your personal preferences.
I was rather pleased to see some ancaps on the list. It's one certain way to ensure that the echo chamber of traditional anarchism is avoided and some semblance of critical thinking still remains.
Well anarcho-capitalism is the only version of capitalism I have encountered that is logically consistent. At least internally. All the others have some sort of government, one way or another, that decides what the rest may or may not do. It's also the only version I know of that supports property rights. If you don't support property rights, you don't really support rights.
Somehow I doubt that you have encountered 'all of them'.
Mine meets all them requirements, and can be summed up in keep working, stop paying, and rule by force is the disease, who and how are symptoms.
With those two axioms I resolve most of society's ailments, but nobody listens to me, because I hurt their little feelers, too much.
It appears that Berkman at least also gets it. He disagrees with the Individualist Anarchists, but he also sees them - rightfully so - as part of the Anarchists. The compulsion not to own private property is somehow not considered compulsion.
"All Anarchists agree on this fundamental position: that government means injustice and oppression, that it is invasive, enslaving, and the greatest hindrance to man’s development and growth.
They all believe that freedom can exist only in a society where there is no compulsion of any kind. All Anarchists are therefore at one on the basic principle of abolishing government.
They disagree mostly on the following points:
First: the manner in which Anarchy will come about.
...
Second: Individualist Anarchists and Mutualists believe in individual ownership, as against the Communist Anarchists who see in the institution of private property one of the main sources of injustice and inequality, of poverty and misery. "
I think PJ did a poor job deliniating what private property is.
Nobody wants to take anybody's stuff.
My solution moves us forward from where we are now.
If you have a mansion and servants they are yours to keep, any private jets, too.
However, it would be my guess that the servants would leave, and the mansions fall into disrepair, when anything anybody wants is theirs for the asking.
The workers only have to continue to do the work while refusing to pay to get that work back from the crapitalusts.
The crapitalusts can lock us out of 'their' factories, but that is just a hurdle that the crapitalusts can erect, it wont stop anything once the workers decide to toss off the money masters.
Workers do all the work, dollars dont do crap, except see to it that workers are slaves of those that control it.
As the workers figure this out i expect a mess, they are gonna be upset for a while.
That is exactly why us crapitalists are automating now, so we get to keep our stuff, plus a place to keep it, and we may watch the workers hang themselves with their own rope.
I've got room for more, I've already added another since I posted it initially.
I don't buy into the false division of anarchists based on personal preference in lifestyle or which step of the transformation they focus on. (Anarcho-capitalism is the next step from corporatism, then we can evolve to a fully cooperative model once people are free to decide their own lives)
We are at a pivotal moment.
I think i may be suffering from some burnout, i have been at this a long time.
Patience has never been my strong suit.
Half measures, and those that embrace their slavery because they are too lazy to free their minds, fray my nerves.
I can feel that brother!
Just like any other change we wish to manifest, I find it extremely important to celebrate each step along the way, and everyone else who isn't in the same place as us, but is walking down the same path. There are a LOT of humans who want a version of Earth that is more balanced, more peaceful, more loving, more cooperative, healthier in every way... If they would agree that they all want those things (in which almost everyone agrees), and that the rest (level of technology, economic system, religious/spiritual beliefs) is all personal preference and can be decided individually and in community.
Let's get rid of the states as physical reality and the state as a culturally acceptable concept of human organization. Let's get rid of the banks as a physical reality and usury as a culturally acceptable form of interaction. Let's get rid of war, "corporal punishment" for children, corporations, and all the other direct forms of violence, coercion, and control (different manifestations of violation of another).
Once we get to that world, everything else can work itself out organically, peacefully, and in a decentralized way. This means there will be Rainbow communities, RBE communities, agorist communities, anarcho-primitivist communities, and yes, even anarcho-capitalist communities.
If you've followed any of my conversations with an-caps (or most folks who really like to self-identify as anything) I'm generally working to find the synthesis, the best of both opinions/options, the middle path as it were. (it often ends up with comment threads where an-coms are attacking me and comment threads where an-caps are.
We are in the millions. I'd reckon close to/over a billion are within a year or two of being there (less and less time the more we all cooperate & synergize the strengths of different archetypes), and the whole world is just a generation or two away from being fully realized conscious sovereigns, if we can just put down our adjectives and focus together on the steps we all agree should happen.
We're almost there. I don't know about you, but I'm excited, overjoyed to get to live in this time of paradigm shift. We literally get to have a personal hand in shaping the world of the future, through what we do, what we say, who we connect with, how we heal & integrate our traumas, what we show as an example for others...
I'm with ya, not all of us have the leisure to do the reading, nor the good fortune to be in an environment conducive to learning from outside the paradigm.
Ironically, it is the breaking of the clearly stated rules that gets me riled up.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-07-17
Thanks for that reference. I think it was sent to me maybe only once in all the discussions I've had on this topic regarding self-ownership, property rights, and the like. I have not read through all of it, but it's now bookmarked, and I surely will. I can appreciate how frustrating it must feel to have language and historical tradition subverted to mean something else entirely. I also see entrepreneurship, free value exchange, and the type of "capitalism" many I know appreciate might really only be possible, ethically, via the technologies which exist today such as blockchain cryptocurrency free from the nation-state. If that's true, we should start seeing more and more examples of it in reality. I look forward to reading through this more and hopefully writing on it more in the future to clarify some things for myself and those who use (and misuse) these labels in my community.
That is only one section of the faq, there are many.
Too many that call themselves anarchists have no real clue what they are talking about, nor even that this has all been hashed out 150+ years ago.
Their brashness at 'making their own' rules often leads them down non and counter productive paths creating turmoil where none would exist if they had caught up with the rest of the class.
I can only lead you to the source.
You have to decide for you what to do with the knowledge available in the time available to absorb it.
This is beautifully said. I've spent a lot of time arguing why I don't want governments controlling things and prefer a path of self-ownership leading to production of goods and services which can be voluntarily traded and enjoyed, even creating profit for creators to encourage more creation. I then get side-tracked into pointless debates about personal property, toothbrushes, justification for land ownership, involuntary wage-slavery which has nothing to do with my self-employed perspective, etc, etc... In this community, we all want a voluntary, peaceful, prosperous, free world. Just as you said, there are many paths to get there and many sub communities will enjoy completely different approaches because, even on a genetic level, our species is very diverse and prefers many different styles of living.
Love and respect for others is enough. We can get there with multiple approaches and even learn a bit about each other along the way.
Keep spreading the good word of decentralized progress while not compromising your universal principles or your personal preferences.
And we can marry our cousins.
Say what?
I was rather pleased to see some ancaps on the list. It's one certain way to ensure that the echo chamber of traditional anarchism is avoided and some semblance of critical thinking still remains.
I just lament the time wasted on half measures.
The enemies of anarchism slow the progress by such tactics.
Im getting grumpier about it, too.
Well anarcho-capitalism is the only version of capitalism I have encountered that is logically consistent. At least internally. All the others have some sort of government, one way or another, that decides what the rest may or may not do. It's also the only version I know of that supports property rights. If you don't support property rights, you don't really support rights.
Here, look at this and tell me what you think, just the chapter titles,...
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alexander-berkman-what-is-communist-anarchism
Somehow I doubt that you have encountered 'all of them'.
Mine meets all them requirements, and can be summed up in keep working, stop paying, and rule by force is the disease, who and how are symptoms.
With those two axioms I resolve most of society's ailments, but nobody listens to me, because I hurt their little feelers, too much.
It appears that Berkman at least also gets it. He disagrees with the Individualist Anarchists, but he also sees them - rightfully so - as part of the Anarchists. The compulsion not to own private property is somehow not considered compulsion.
"All Anarchists agree on this fundamental position: that government means injustice and oppression, that it is invasive, enslaving, and the greatest hindrance to man’s development and growth.
They all believe that freedom can exist only in a society where there is no compulsion of any kind. All Anarchists are therefore at one on the basic principle of abolishing government.
They disagree mostly on the following points:
...
I think PJ did a poor job deliniating what private property is.
Nobody wants to take anybody's stuff.
My solution moves us forward from where we are now.
If you have a mansion and servants they are yours to keep, any private jets, too.
However, it would be my guess that the servants would leave, and the mansions fall into disrepair, when anything anybody wants is theirs for the asking.
The workers only have to continue to do the work while refusing to pay to get that work back from the crapitalusts.
The crapitalusts can lock us out of 'their' factories, but that is just a hurdle that the crapitalusts can erect, it wont stop anything once the workers decide to toss off the money masters.
Workers do all the work, dollars dont do crap, except see to it that workers are slaves of those that control it.
As the workers figure this out i expect a mess, they are gonna be upset for a while.
That is exactly why us crapitalists are automating now, so we get to keep our stuff, plus a place to keep it, and we may watch the workers hang themselves with their own rope.
I've encountered that one, it's one of the most obviously logically inconsistent ones.
Of course it is,...
Yes, of course it is. It's rather obvious and easy to see how you can clearly not be both anarchist and communist.