First, I'm not Ben, Marcus, or whomever krishool is.
Never said you were...
I am a free man just as you are. I am as responsible for the actions and inactions of Ben or Marcus as you are (not at all).
And as a "free man" you need to take some personal responsibility. You are choosing to defend Ben, you are choosing to defend the campaign "statement" and you chose to upvote Krishool argument that doxxing and hacking didn't violate the NAP. Is any of this info incorrect?
The official campaign statement clearly indicates that we (the campaign) have nothing to do with any of this. It's really that simple.
Where? where in Marcus statement does it say this? All it says is that you all follow the NAP and that's it. I even asked for clarification and that got down-voted.
Now tell me what am I suppose to think when I get down-voted by the O.P and I see him upvoting and wanting to resteem someone's post that gives an argument that doxxing and hacking doesn't violate the NAP. Tell me if it's so simple what should I take away from this?
how can we speak on the matter without making stuff up or guessing?
Simple. You denounce the behavior. I'll even tell you what words to use like: "We have heard and seen posts regarding one of our old campaign staffer; Ben Farmer that has allegedly tried to Doxx and cause another steemit user harm. Let me just be clear and say we do NOT support these actions if they are true. We had no knowledge of Ben contacting any person like this and we denounce anyone attacking any peaceful individual no matter what verbal disagreements we may have had."
Instead of what you are doing which is; defending the screenshots, supporting posts that defend doxxing and hacking, and making these out of context arguments.
Now I won't lie; how you, Marcus and Adam reacted to this situation has definitely caused more harm to your campaign that you will likely never be able recover from. The only way now to salvage your campaign is for you and Marcus to apologize for acting unprofessional and then resign (unless if you are currently not working for the campaign). Adam would need give an apology(since he is the boss and it is his responsibility) and explain his side. I know this is long post but I just wanted to answer your question the best that I could.
If someone worked where you work now, i wouldn't question you if that person had or hadn't done something.
I wouldn't defend my co worker unless I had clear evidence. What you are doing is giving out of context arguments and speculation passed off as fact, then complaining that you're not Ben when people disprove your argument.
it would be impossible for you to accurately speak on the subject.
And that's why the most I would do is denounce the alleged behavior and answer questions about the subject with a "I'm sorry but I don't know." I wouldn't be defending the alleged behavior and I wouldn't be making posts about the subject.
your entire post is a reflection that you need to reread my last post.
Enlighten me, please.
holy shit this is so simple. let me try it this way:
i have as much to do with this as you do. so tell me, dfree... why did all of this happen (no guessing and no opinions; be intellectually honest).
go.
If by "all of this" you are referring to the attempting doxxing. My answer is- I'm sorry, but I don't know. I can guess but you don't want that.
My complaint is that your campaign's official statement doesn't condemn this alleged behavior adequately because the writer down-votes questions and supports a post that gives an argument that doxxing and hacking doesn't violate the N.A.P
incorrect. the campaigns official statement VERY clearly states that we do not stand for the breaking of the NAP. We also state that if anyone of us breaks the NAP, we will subject to termination within the campaign.
as for doxxing... what doxxing? you see, kafka gave out bens work information so that people would get him fired. that's doxxing. kafka associated my real name against my consent on this platform. that's doxxing. you seem to not mind that.
if you mean what was ben up to... i don't know. but he gave no indication that he was going to doxx anyone. aquire the services of someone that basically would act as a private investigator, maybe. but then releasing that information on any platform to do harm to kafka (which is what doxxing is)... show me a screen shot or any other evidence that was going to happen. it wasn't.
you're questioning me about doxxing when there is no indication that ben was going to doxx anyone... and yet you watch kafka doxx two people and you just shrug your shoulders.
i feel you're less than sincere.
And as I stated multiple times now; the writer of the official statement supported a post that gave an argument that doxxing and hacking doesn't violate the NAP so how I'm so supposed to believe it's sincerity?
Kafka is not asking me to vote for him and as I said before I don't like Kafka. Not to mention that since your campaign site doesn't have any privacy statement (that I can find, if you could point me to it that would be very helpful) your campaign could theoretically release any of your past supporters information.
Remember when I said I would denounce the alleged behavior if this was me. This is why.
The screenshots that are shown show at the very least show the hacker was trying to find where Kafka was located. Is there a good reason why Ben would need to know where Kafka lives? Since Ben initiated contact, never questions why he would need to know where kafka lives, responds with "your the best" when the hacker says he found a licence plate, texts "God damn I fucking hate that guy" and won't even take time defend himself.
What am I supposed to believe he was going to use this info for?
The hacker is giving an allegation that Ben was trying to doxx Kafka. So there's a witness. If Ben were to speak up then maybe it could be a he said/ she said type situation but that's not happening is it?
Tell me you said multiple times you don't know the full story. Why are you so set on defending someone who won't defend themselves? All I asked your campaign to do was give a better statement.
I've went out of my way to give you a way to salvage your campaign but instead you chose to argue with me and defend the screenshots when I wasn't even arguing about them.
Wow. Youre either trolling or incapable of understanding.
The campaign has nothing to do with all of this.
That's it.
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I told you, @dfree. Pointless to try and have a logical argument with individuals completely unconcerned with understanding.
And now my self-defensive asking of questions and actions to share already openly public info about Ben in the interest of getting answers are “doxxing,” and I am the bad guy, because, magically, we should just ignore the actual conversation that was presented in screenshot and video form. When in doubt, blame the victim of the crime attempted.
These guys are in direct contact with Farmer and Adam, and are waiting for me to totally lose my temper. Guarantee it. Not gonna happen. If they were a bit more capable and coherent, it might work. But as you can tell from the comments section here, they just keep tripping over themselves, and no one is buying it but them.
The infosec professional is also open and available for question on Twitter now, and will be here soon. Why he refuses to question them and address them directly is telling.
It’s still not enough for them, because they have no interest in understanding, but in conflation and muddying the waters.
Thank you.