I think I understand. Let me first say I agree with you on most things, I just haven't put a lot of thought into voluntarism and borders specifically so I haven't had the chance to hash it all out. I guess When I say collective borders I was thinking of all of us who live inside the territory of this particular state. Of course groups of land owners can band together to aid eachother and I suppose that would also be considered a collective action. I've always said that collectivism is important but only secondary to individualism.