thank you. this relativism is starting to freak me out. if it it true then why don't we just feed starving people rocks or burning tires. i mean, it's all relative man. i've been trying this new argument for people just at the cusp. tell me if you think it holds water. natural rights come from natural philosophy, which is what physics used to be called. i know that is a fact. so, none of these natural rights are ideology at all. they follow logically from the dynamics of the natural world. natural rights come from the dynamics of physics. i think it is what english common law is based on, and what the founders of America were trying to do, at least thomas jefferson and thomas paine. some of the others i have my suspicions about. it also has to do with the trivium method and quadrivium, and understanding human dynamics in relation to the other perceivable aspects of the reality that surrounds us. i think it works for people who are educated and thoughtful. statists just look at me like i'm crazy.