yes I know but sometimes the bad action of one person can ruin the whole group. Even though they made mistakes I still look up to some of them members I heard and know about. I also know how they have helped a lot of people. The saying one bad apple can ruin the whole barrel is sometimes true ,get rid of the bad seed and then things will be ok. I know not everyone is involved, just had to get my feelings out. Sorry if I unintentionally hurt them. Sorry but I was also doubting after a while good thing it is just one person.