Thanks for answering my question abou why abortion is so threatening.

I think most women consult their partners when they get knocked up. Unless you expect that they should do so for a casual sex partners...but why? Any man would be totally confused why he's even getting that phone call.

Women can still have kids after getting an abortion. The chance of it injuring her so she can't is the same as the problems that end a pregnancy before there's an infant out of it.

For guys like you, anything regarding women's freedoms is centered around dating, marriage, sex partners. And anything that benefits women is labelled as 'feminism.' It is threatening to me because the undertones are to go backwards with womens rights so men can feel they have more control in sex, dating. There's more to women's lives as individuals, and not thinking about it that way shows a lack of empathy for women, not the other way around. And if it was about men's rights, men angry at anything they call 'feminism' would be discussing things homelessness and incarceration instead, but all they do is define themselves in terms of women. Maybe some men don't feel like men anymore because it's unmasculine to do that?

When you ad negotiating with individuals about other people's choices, it is no longer individual rights. A woman's body and sexual choices aren't a democracy nor is it a courtroom needing a judge, jury, prosecuter, defendant and a sentence.

Maybe it's not 'fair', but it's not my fault if men choose partners out of cowardice, fearing that they won't get a better woman or secure another womb. The reason that more women initiate divorces is because men don't leave. If a marriage is at the point where one person wants a divorceand it's unreconcilable, he's not staying out of valour and duty, he's staying out of fear of being alone and not wanting to face the challenges of getting another woman, being single, potentially being judged as 'less of a man' for not having a woman. These are problems that men have to take care of within their sphere and not just throw the blame at 'feminism.' Women didn't make the male martyrdom trope anymore than anyone with a penis today had a hand in cultivating 'patriarchal' oppression of women.

I support the freedom of people to make their choices. Anyone who makes them out of cowardice or trying to appease other people or an abstraction like society will be discontented. I don't mock men for not buying into their martydom trope. Projecting issues on to things like abortion and divorce solves nothing.

I enjoyed writing this. Thanks for the ideas and discussion.